milosevic, saddam, qaddafi. he thinks assad is next. but, in fact, by supporting assad the russians are going to create a situation, i think, where the u.s. may be dragged in if there's indiscriminate large scale use of chemical weapons. that's the one thing that hasn't happened yet and my concern is that as the civil war grinds on and if the tide of battle begins to turn against assad-- whatever constraint there is, self-imposed, not to run the risk of tkaoging the u.s. in, they may begin to erode and we could see large-scale use. in that case i think ere would be tremendous pressure on president obama to do something militarily. >> rose: you suggest here, dexter, that assad is testing everybody? >> yeah. i mean, if you look at every stage of this conflict, it didn't start -- we didn't start two years ago with scud missiles being fired in populated areas and 100 people a day being killed. we got to that point very, very slowly. and asat has been very careful.